Jerry Saltz is a New Yorkers New Yorker.

I didnt see me ending up on a park bench talking to you.

But talk they doabout everything and anything.

Meanwhile, Jacobs reflects on his greatest fear: irrelevance.

What will I be, who will be if nobody cares?

Saltz takes great care to explain to Jacobsand the viewerthe importance of the Italian town and its artists.

What do you see when you look at that?

Saltz asks Jacob in front of a painting.

A lot more than I did before you explained it to me, he replies.

Below, watch the wide-ranging conversation between two of New Yorks greatest living cultural figures.